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	<title>Comments on: Podcast #23 &#8211; Lori Lipman Brown</title>
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		<title>By: American Freethought &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Podcast #34 - Mel Lipman</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Freethought &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Podcast #34 - Mel Lipman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] father of Lori Lipman Brown, lobbyist for the Secular Coalition for American, whom we talked to in podcast #23).  We talk to Mel about the AHA&#8217;s holiday ad campaign, which puts the message &#8220;Why [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>Irreverence &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Some Audio Goodness</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

Thanks for your kind comments - glad to hear you&#039;re enjoying the various podcasts.

Your question about abortion is an interesting one.  Secular arguments against abortion are hard to come by; I suspect for two reasons:

One, the American secular community is overwhelmingly left-wing and it&#039;s very un-PC, even taboo, in those circles to hold certain socio-political positions (e.g. advocating any restrictions on abortion, acceptance of the death penalty, or even flirting with the idea that there are differences between the sexes or amongst the races - try introducing any of these and you will get you kicked out, shunned, dissed, etc.).  

Two, because even conservative secularists are uncomfortable holding views that put them into a position of LOOKING like they&#039;re in alliance with the hated religionists.

Nonetheless, it&#039;s not hard to imagine the construction of an anti-abortion stance, depending on how one defines &quot;human being&quot; or &quot;person&quot; and how one views personal responsibility.  One could also imagine a completely secular but totalitarian society that does not respect individual or reproductive rights (Remember, being secular does not automatically mean being a good person, an ethical person, or a freedom-loving person.  There seems to be no direct relationship between irreligiosity and progressiveness; atheists can count within their number a wide spectrum of personalities, from Julia Sweeney to Stalin).

All that said, I&#039;m not aware of any secular organizations or movements that argue against abortion.  A woman&#039;s (near) absolute right to choose is about as close to unquestionable dogma as you can get amongst American atheists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>Thanks for your kind comments &#8211; glad to hear you&#8217;re enjoying the various podcasts.</p>
<p>Your question about abortion is an interesting one.  Secular arguments against abortion are hard to come by; I suspect for two reasons:</p>
<p>One, the American secular community is overwhelmingly left-wing and it&#8217;s very un-PC, even taboo, in those circles to hold certain socio-political positions (e.g. advocating any restrictions on abortion, acceptance of the death penalty, or even flirting with the idea that there are differences between the sexes or amongst the races &#8211; try introducing any of these and you will get you kicked out, shunned, dissed, etc.).  </p>
<p>Two, because even conservative secularists are uncomfortable holding views that put them into a position of LOOKING like they&#8217;re in alliance with the hated religionists.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, it&#8217;s not hard to imagine the construction of an anti-abortion stance, depending on how one defines &#8220;human being&#8221; or &#8220;person&#8221; and how one views personal responsibility.  One could also imagine a completely secular but totalitarian society that does not respect individual or reproductive rights (Remember, being secular does not automatically mean being a good person, an ethical person, or a freedom-loving person.  There seems to be no direct relationship between irreligiosity and progressiveness; atheists can count within their number a wide spectrum of personalities, from Julia Sweeney to Stalin).</p>
<p>All that said, I&#8217;m not aware of any secular organizations or movements that argue against abortion.  A woman&#8217;s (near) absolute right to choose is about as close to unquestionable dogma as you can get amongst American atheists.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe G.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a thoughtful interview with Lipman. Off hand, do you know of any secular arguments against abortion (and if these arguments include making the procedure illegal)?

BTW, I used to be a member of the Green Party and I completely agree about the state of third party&#039;s and their candidates! Very true that the organizations can easily be derailed by individuals or small groups with fringe and distracting agendas!

Thanks for the podcast - also love your ScFi Dimensions and just started listening to the Secular Nation podcast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a thoughtful interview with Lipman. Off hand, do you know of any secular arguments against abortion (and if these arguments include making the procedure illegal)?</p>
<p>BTW, I used to be a member of the Green Party and I completely agree about the state of third party&#8217;s and their candidates! Very true that the organizations can easily be derailed by individuals or small groups with fringe and distracting agendas!</p>
<p>Thanks for the podcast &#8211; also love your ScFi Dimensions and just started listening to the Secular Nation podcast.</p>
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