Comments on: Mooney/Kirshenbaum sic Darwin on Dawkins http://www.americanfreethought.com/wordpress/2009/08/18/mooneykirschenbaum-sic-darwin-on-dawkins/ Question. Think. Decide. Sat, 04 Feb 2012 00:05:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ian Andreas Miller http://www.americanfreethought.com/wordpress/2009/08/18/mooneykirschenbaum-sic-darwin-on-dawkins/comment-page-1/#comment-4405 Ian Andreas Miller Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:16:15 +0000 http://www.americanfreethought.com/wordpress/?p=1238#comment-4405 "It’s clear that science and religion aren’t compatible, public pronouncements by the AAAS and NCSE notwithstanding. Perhaps science and religion can find an uneasy coexistence, but let’s face it: the only way that works is for people to compartmentalize their religion and their science (a sort of mental Apartheid in which good ideas are allowed to flourish while bad ideas are continually nursed), or to water down their religion to the point that it has no falsifiable claims." Oh, science and religion are compatible -- so long as science behaves itself. When this happens, science is forced to be subordinate, not equal, to religion. "Meanwhile, for every Dawkins who offends the sensibilities of the pious, there are 10,000 preachers who have free reign to tell their flocks that those who believe differently will suffer eternal torture in a fiery pit, or to invite Creationist snake-oil salesmen to give talks on Sunday evening to tell the children that what they’ve been taught in school is a lie–and even give the kids tips on how to disrupt class with clever questions designed to trip up the teacher. But if a tiny minority of atheists refuse to let the fundamentalist monopolize the public stage…Lordie no, that won’t do!" Wow, exactly! Thank you for pointing this out! “It’s clear that science and religion aren’t compatible, public pronouncements by the AAAS and NCSE notwithstanding. Perhaps science and religion can find an uneasy coexistence, but let’s face it: the only way that works is for people to compartmentalize their religion and their science (a sort of mental Apartheid in which good ideas are allowed to flourish while bad ideas are continually nursed), or to water down their religion to the point that it has no falsifiable claims.”

Oh, science and religion are compatible — so long as science behaves itself. When this happens, science is forced to be subordinate, not equal, to religion.

“Meanwhile, for every Dawkins who offends the sensibilities of the pious, there are 10,000 preachers who have free reign to tell their flocks that those who believe differently will suffer eternal torture in a fiery pit, or to invite Creationist snake-oil salesmen to give talks on Sunday evening to tell the children that what they’ve been taught in school is a lie–and even give the kids tips on how to disrupt class with clever questions designed to trip up the teacher. But if a tiny minority of atheists refuse to let the fundamentalist monopolize the public stage…Lordie no, that won’t do!”

Wow, exactly! Thank you for pointing this out!

]]> By: John C. Snider http://www.americanfreethought.com/wordpress/2009/08/18/mooneykirschenbaum-sic-darwin-on-dawkins/comment-page-1/#comment-4402 John C. Snider Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:19:58 +0000 http://www.americanfreethought.com/wordpress/?p=1238#comment-4402 Strider, What, you don't like "beweeps"??? "To weep over; to deplore; to bedew with tears." Hmmm...bedew... Strider,

What, you don’t like “beweeps”??? “To weep over; to deplore; to bedew with tears.” Hmmm…bedew…

]]> By: Strider http://www.americanfreethought.com/wordpress/2009/08/18/mooneykirschenbaum-sic-darwin-on-dawkins/comment-page-1/#comment-4401 Strider Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:50:15 +0000 http://www.americanfreethought.com/wordpress/?p=1238#comment-4401 "Beweeps"?! I agree with Brad: TRWOS was a god read but M&K have gone off the rails with the accommodationist nonsense. Agree also that hooking up with Matt Nisbett was a HUGE mistake. I've never had occasion to wince at any of the four horsemen plus Myers and I'm no fanboi). Any examples? “Beweeps”?!
I agree with Brad: TRWOS was a god read but M&K have gone off the rails with the accommodationist nonsense. Agree also that hooking up with Matt Nisbett was a HUGE mistake. I’ve never had occasion to wince at any of the four horsemen plus Myers and I’m no fanboi). Any examples?

]]> By: Brad Hudson http://www.americanfreethought.com/wordpress/2009/08/18/mooneykirschenbaum-sic-darwin-on-dawkins/comment-page-1/#comment-4389 Brad Hudson Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:28:42 +0000 http://www.americanfreethought.com/wordpress/?p=1238#comment-4389 I loved The Republican War on Science. But after watching Mooney's devolution after hooking up with Matt and Sheril, I can't bear to pick up a copy of his latest. I'll admit that Dawkins and PZ make me wince at times, but maybe that's not such a bad thing. Most of the time when I engage with the anti science warriors, I want to channel Barney Frank - on what planet do you spend most of your time? I loved The Republican War on Science. But after watching Mooney’s devolution after hooking up with Matt and Sheril, I can’t bear to pick up a copy of his latest. I’ll admit that Dawkins and PZ make me wince at times, but maybe that’s not such a bad thing. Most of the time when I engage with the anti science warriors, I want to channel Barney Frank – on what planet do you spend most of your time?

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